Eurovision HD? They must be joking.

[Agamemnon]

How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?

The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and looked
like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

[Tom E]

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and
looked like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

sharp as a pin on Freesat and whoever designed the set needs
congratulating....I was hot pixel hunting but did not see any...

[Mark Carver]

Post by Tom E

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and
looked like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

sharp as a pin on Freesat and whoever designed the set needs
congratulating....I was hot pixel hunting but did not see any...

Likewise, viewing via a Humax HDR feeding a Sony Bravia. The only time I
noticed the pictures run out of bandwidth was at the end when all the
ticker-tape came down.

[The dog from that film you saw]

Post by Tom E
sharp as a pin on Freesat and whoever designed the set needs
congratulating....I was hot pixel hunting but did not see any...

the screens under the stage were LED rather than lcd were they not ?
at least that's what graham norton claimed.

[Andy Burns]

Post by The dog from that film you saw
the screens under the stage were LED rather than lcd were they not ?
at least that's what graham norton claimed.

You expect him to know the difference?

[The dog from that film you saw]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by The dog from that film you saw
the screens under the stage were LED rather than lcd were they not ?
at least that's what graham norton claimed.

You expect him to know the difference?

led made sense to me - they seemed to be smaller versions of the type of
screen they use at birminham railway station - horrible for up close tv
watching but in this case doing a fine job.

[2Bdecided]

Post by Tom E

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and
looked like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

sharp as a pin on Freesat and whoever designed the set needs
congratulating....I was hot pixel hunting but did not see any...

Why is there no HD version available on iPlayer?

Cheers,
David.

[2Bdecided]

Post by Tom E

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and
looked like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

sharp as a pin on Freesat and whoever designed the set needs
congratulating....I was hot pixel hunting but did not see any...

Why is there no HD version available on iPlayer?

Cheers,
David.

[The dog from that film you saw]

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and
looked like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

so you watched the hd channel or bbc 1 ?

[Tom E]

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and
looked like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

the only BIG problem was my Humax HDR did not record the last 10
minutes.............hmmmmmm.

[Owain]

Post by Tom E
the only BIG problem was my Humax HDR did not record the last 10
minutes.............hmmmmmm.

Norway won. We came fifth.

Owain

[J G Miller]

Post by Owain
Norway won. We came fifth.

So it was a conspiracy amongst Scandinavian nation viewers this time to
prevent the UKofGB&NI from winning.

No doubt all of the Danish immigrants and their descendents in the North of
England voted for Norway just to spite the English.

[Laurence Payne]

On Sun, 17 May 2009 07:57:44 +0100, "Agamemnon"

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and looked
like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

Some of you will remember the first cross-channel TV broadcast in
1950. A few more the first live transatlantic TV in 1962. In both
cases the content was trivial. As it was last night. Who cares?

[Owain]

Apparently the screens are LED

Moscow is using 30 percent of the world's entire stock of LED screens on
its lavish stage, said a spokeswoman for the Swiss-based European
Broadcasting Union (EBU), an association of broadcasters from 56
countries which runs the contest.
http://www.reuters.com/article/russia/idUSTRE54E3UH20090516

Owain

[Tom E]

Post by Owain
Apparently the screens are LED
Moscow is using 30 percent of the world's entire stock of LED screens on
its lavish stage, said a spokeswoman for the Swiss-based European
Broadcasting Union (EBU), an association of broadcasters from 56 countries
which runs the contest.
http://www.reuters.com/article/russia/idUSTRE54E3UH20090516
Owain

not sure which contestant, I think Sweden, when they all went white was
something else.........

[Peter Duncanson]

On Sun, 17 May 2009 12:14:26 +0100, Laurence Payne

Post by Laurence Payne
On Sun, 17 May 2009 07:57:44 +0100, "Agamemnon"

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and looked
like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

Some of you will remember the first cross-channel TV broadcast in
1950. A few more the first live transatlantic TV in 1962. In both
cases the content was trivial.

Those were both major technological advances. The first artificial earth
satellite, Sputnik, just transmitted "beep, beep, beep,..." that was a
major event even though the transmitted content was trivial. That lead
the way to satellite TV transmissions some of the content of which could
be improved by being replaced by continuous bleeps.

Post by Laurence Payne
As it was last night. Who cares?

The Eurovision Song Contest is no longer the minor technological miracle
that it was in its very early days.

[Mike]

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and looked
like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

Wait a minute.
This post comes from the man who....
1. Hates tyhe concept of widescreen
2. Thinks HD is a waste of time.
3. Complains endlessly about shit tv programs.

Then complains about a shit tv show on his widescreen tv isn't HD
enough for him.

Cue Alanis
"It's like raaaaiiiaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiinnnnn,............"

[Agamemnon]

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and looked
like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

<<<Wait a minute.
This post comes from the man who....
1. Hates tyhe concept of widescreen
2. Thinks HD is a waste of time.
3. Complains endlessly about shit tv programs.>>>

You are a SYSTEMATIC LIAR! You've made everything up and can't substantiate
a single word you have said.

<<<Then complains about a shit tv show on his widescreen tv isn't HD
enough for him.>>>

The Eurovision is not a shit TV show.

The coverage the BBC broadcast on Freeview was not even SD quality.

[Kay Robinson]

On Mon, 18 May 2009 10:25:04 +0100, "Agamemnon"
<***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> sharpened a new quill and scratched:

--> bobbit

Post by Agamemnon
The Eurovision is not a shit TV show.

You're not serious are you?

Post by Agamemnon
The coverage the BBC broadcast on Freeview was not even SD quality.

I suppose that as all of Wogan's fans have stopped watching there
could only be a coulpe of old biddy fans of the Irish twerp to
satisfy, and as they're watching on ancient analogue sets the beeb
don't care.

Kay

[Mike]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and looked
like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

<<<Wait a minute.
This post comes from the man who....
1. Hates tyhe concept of widescreen
2. Thinks HD is a waste of time.
3. Complains endlessly about shit tv programs.>>>
You are a SYSTEMATIC LIAR! You've made everything up and can't substantiate
a single word you have said.

If it wasn't you that stated the above then I apologies. If I was
confused by who DID state the above then it's down to your demeanour
and attitude that the confusion arose. You do like to complaing about
*absolutely everything* don't you?

Post by Agamemnon
<<<Then complains about a shit tv show on his widescreen tv isn't HD
enough for him.>>>
The Eurovision is not a shit TV show.

Yes it is.

Post by Agamemnon
The coverage the BBC broadcast on Freeview was not even SD quality.

Looked absolutely fine on the bits that I saw. You are of course
talking out of your arse as usual.

[Agamemnon]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and looked
like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

<<<Wait a minute.
This post comes from the man who....
1. Hates tyhe concept of widescreen
2. Thinks HD is a waste of time.
3. Complains endlessly about shit tv programs.>>>
You are a SYSTEMATIC LIAR! You've made everything up and can't
substantiate
a single word you have said.

<<<If it wasn't you that stated the above then I apologies. If I was
confused by who DID state the above then it's down to your demeanour
and attitude that the confusion arose. You do like to complaing about
*absolutely everything* don't you?>>>

Post by Agamemnon
<<<Then complains about a shit tv show on his widescreen tv isn't HD
enough for him.>>>
The Eurovision is not a shit TV show.

<<<Yes it is.>>>

No it isn't.

Post by Agamemnon
The coverage the BBC broadcast on Freeview was not even SD quality.

<<<Looked absolutely fine on the bits that I saw. You are of course
talking out of your arse as usual.>>>

It is you who are talking out of your arse as usual.

I recorded the actual stream of the final on BBC1 and the bit rate was only
3614kbps (file size 5.45GB for 3h 20m), whereas the two semis on BBC3 were
at over 4000kbps (3.85 GB for 2h 5m), and BBC1 is supposed to be fixed
bit-rate at 4500kbps. Well it clearly isn't unless the bit rate was fixed as
3614kbps.

So not only was the feed for Eurovision (which was supposed to be in HD)
substandard, but the bitrate it was broadcast at was substandard as well.

The picture quality was complete rubbish. The presenters and performers were
all blurred and the so was the scoreboard which even suffered from ringing
artefacts on the numbers and the colours from all the country's flags
flooded into the white background.

Eurovision Jade's Story which ran before it on the same channel was also at
3609kbps and Tonight's the Night was at 3877kbps. Have I Got News for You
the night before was 3289kbps, Ashes to Ashes last night was as 3058kbps,
whereas for comparison Primeval on ITV on Saturday was at 2888kbps.

The bitrate on BBC1 has gone completly down the toilet. Two weeks ago on 2
May Tonight's the Night was going out at 4641kbps but Robin Hood on the same
day went out at 3385kbps and on 18 April it even went out at 2898kbps
whereas Primeval on ITV went out at 2828kbps on the same day.

Is this the BBC's new way of forcing people to downgrade to DOG SHIT
infested BBC HD, by degrading the quality of HD so that the SD quality HD
(as other posters here have reported in other threads) looks better?

And there was I thinking that my CRT TV was wearing out because the pictures
were all becoming blurred. It's not my TV that's the problem, it's the BBC's
transmissions. 2898kbps isn't barley any better than continental satellite
and almost all of that is sourced from VHS quality U-Matic. Is this what the
BBC wants to do?

[Mike]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and looked
like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

<<<Wait a minute.
This post comes from the man who....
1. Hates tyhe concept of widescreen
2. Thinks HD is a waste of time.
3. Complains endlessly about shit tv programs.>>>
You are a SYSTEMATIC LIAR! You've made everything up and can't substantiate
a single word you have said.

<<<If it wasn't you that stated the above then I apologies. If I was
confused by who DID state the above then it's down to your demeanour
and attitude that the confusion arose. You do like to complaing about
*absolutely everything* don't you?>>>

Post by Agamemnon
<<<Then complains about a shit tv show on his widescreen tv isn't HD
enough for him.>>>
The Eurovision is not a shit TV show.

<<<Yes it is.>>>
No it isn't.

Post by Agamemnon
The coverage the BBC broadcast on Freeview was not even SD quality.

<<<Looked absolutely fine on the bits that I saw. You are of course
talking out of your arse as usual.>>>
It is you who are talking out of your arse as usual.
I recorded the actual stream of the final on BBC1 and the bit rate was only
3614kbps (file size 5.45GB for 3h 20m), whereas the two semis on BBC3 were
at over 4000kbps (3.85 GB for 2h 5m), and BBC1 is supposed to be fixed
bit-rate at 4500kbps. Well it clearly isn't unless the bit rate was fixed as
3614kbps.
So not only was the feed for Eurovision (which was supposed to be in HD)
substandard, but the bitrate it was broadcast at was substandard as well.
The picture quality was complete rubbish. The presenters and performers were
all blurred and the so was the scoreboard which even suffered from ringing
artefacts on the numbers and the colours from all the country's flags
flooded into the white background.
Eurovision Jade's Story which ran before it on the same channel was also at
3609kbps and Tonight's the Night was at 3877kbps. Have I Got News for You
the night before was 3289kbps, Ashes to Ashes last night was as 3058kbps,
whereas for comparison Primeval on ITV on Saturday was at 2888kbps.
The bitrate on BBC1 has gone completly down the toilet. Two weeks ago on 2
May Tonight's the Night was going out at 4641kbps but Robin Hood on the same
day went out at 3385kbps and on 18 April it even went out at 2898kbps
whereas Primeval on ITV went out at 2828kbps on the same day.
Is this the BBC's new way of forcing people to downgrade to DOG SHIT
infested BBC HD, by degrading the quality of HD so that the SD quality HD
(as other posters here have reported in other threads) looks better?
And there was I thinking that my CRT TV was wearing out because the pictures
were all becoming blurred. It's not my TV that's the problem, it's the BBC's
transmissions. 2898kbps isn't barley any better than continental satellite
and almost all of that is sourced from VHS quality U-Matic. Is this what the
BBC wants to do?

On my Samsung 42" plasma w/integrated Freeview it looked fine. No
artefacting of the type you mention. All the mainstream channels look
just fine. Move to Dave and it's a different story. Don't be so hung
up on the numbers and enjoy the viewing. Have you considered the
possibility that your CRT may be artefacting and NOT the source?

And for the record. Yes. Eurovision *IS* shit.

[Agamemnon]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and looked
like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

<<<Wait a minute.
This post comes from the man who....
1. Hates tyhe concept of widescreen
2. Thinks HD is a waste of time.
3. Complains endlessly about shit tv programs.>>>
You are a SYSTEMATIC LIAR! You've made everything up and can't substantiate
a single word you have said.

<<<If it wasn't you that stated the above then I apologies. If I was
confused by who DID state the above then it's down to your demeanour
and attitude that the confusion arose. You do like to complaing about
*absolutely everything* don't you?>>>

Post by Agamemnon
<<<Then complains about a shit tv show on his widescreen tv isn't HD
enough for him.>>>
The Eurovision is not a shit TV show.

<<<Yes it is.>>>
No it isn't.

Post by Agamemnon
The coverage the BBC broadcast on Freeview was not even SD quality.

<<<Looked absolutely fine on the bits that I saw. You are of course
talking out of your arse as usual.>>>
It is you who are talking out of your arse as usual.
I recorded the actual stream of the final on BBC1 and the bit rate was only
3614kbps (file size 5.45GB for 3h 20m), whereas the two semis on BBC3 were
at over 4000kbps (3.85 GB for 2h 5m), and BBC1 is supposed to be fixed
bit-rate at 4500kbps. Well it clearly isn't unless the bit rate was fixed as
3614kbps.
So not only was the feed for Eurovision (which was supposed to be in HD)
substandard, but the bitrate it was broadcast at was substandard as well.
The picture quality was complete rubbish. The presenters and performers were
all blurred and the so was the scoreboard which even suffered from ringing
artefacts on the numbers and the colours from all the country's flags
flooded into the white background.
Eurovision Jade's Story which ran before it on the same channel was also at
3609kbps and Tonight's the Night was at 3877kbps. Have I Got News for You
the night before was 3289kbps, Ashes to Ashes last night was as 3058kbps,
whereas for comparison Primeval on ITV on Saturday was at 2888kbps.
The bitrate on BBC1 has gone completly down the toilet. Two weeks ago on 2
May Tonight's the Night was going out at 4641kbps but Robin Hood on the same
day went out at 3385kbps and on 18 April it even went out at 2898kbps
whereas Primeval on ITV went out at 2828kbps on the same day.
Is this the BBC's new way of forcing people to downgrade to DOG SHIT
infested BBC HD, by degrading the quality of HD so that the SD quality HD
(as other posters here have reported in other threads) looks better?
And there was I thinking that my CRT TV was wearing out because the pictures
were all becoming blurred. It's not my TV that's the problem, it's the BBC's
transmissions. 2898kbps isn't barley any better than continental satellite
and almost all of that is sourced from VHS quality U-Matic. Is this what the
BBC wants to do?

<<<On my Samsung 42" plasma w/integrated Freeview it looked fine. No
artefacting of the type you mention. All the mainstream channels look
just fine. Move to Dave and it's a different story. Don't be so hung
up on the numbers and enjoy the viewing. Have you considered the
possibility that your CRT may be artefacting and NOT the source?>>>

I made the recordings on my computer which has an LCD screen connected by
DVI. The artefacts were present on the stream.

<<<And for the record. Yes. Eurovision *IS* shit.>>>

Not it isn't. It's the most watched entertainment programme in Europe.

[Mike]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Agamemnon
How can the BBC claim to have broadcast the Eurovision Song Contest in HD
when the pictures weren't even up to SD quality?
The images of the Semi-Finals on BBC3 were bad enough, but even the images
from the final on BBC1 were blurred, especially the score board, and looked
like they had been fed to the BBC at 384x576 resolution and then
interpolated to 16:9. If the BBC really had an HD feed why wasn't it used
for the Freeview coverage?

<<<Wait a minute.
This post comes from the man who....
1. Hates tyhe concept of widescreen
2. Thinks HD is a waste of time.
3. Complains endlessly about shit tv programs.>>>
You are a SYSTEMATIC LIAR! You've made everything up and can't substantiate
a single word you have said.

<<<If it wasn't you that stated the above then I apologies. If I was
confused by who DID state the above then it's down to your demeanour
and attitude that the confusion arose. You do like to complaing about
*absolutely everything* don't you?>>>

Post by Agamemnon
<<<Then complains about a shit tv show on his widescreen tv isn't HD
enough for him.>>>
The Eurovision is not a shit TV show.

<<<Yes it is.>>>
No it isn't.

Post by Agamemnon
The coverage the BBC broadcast on Freeview was not even SD quality.

<<<Looked absolutely fine on the bits that I saw. You are of course
talking out of your arse as usual.>>>
It is you who are talking out of your arse as usual.
I recorded the actual stream of the final on BBC1 and the bit rate was only
3614kbps (file size 5.45GB for 3h 20m), whereas the two semis on BBC3 were
at over 4000kbps (3.85 GB for 2h 5m), and BBC1 is supposed to be fixed
bit-rate at 4500kbps. Well it clearly isn't unless the bit rate was fixed as
3614kbps.
So not only was the feed for Eurovision (which was supposed to be in HD)
substandard, but the bitrate it was broadcast at was substandard as well.
The picture quality was complete rubbish. The presenters and performers were
all blurred and the so was the scoreboard which even suffered from ringing
artefacts on the numbers and the colours from all the country's flags
flooded into the white background.
Eurovision Jade's Story which ran before it on the same channel was also at
3609kbps and Tonight's the Night was at 3877kbps. Have I Got News for You
the night before was 3289kbps, Ashes to Ashes last night was as 3058kbps,
whereas for comparison Primeval on ITV on Saturday was at 2888kbps.
The bitrate on BBC1 has gone completly down the toilet. Two weeks ago on 2
May Tonight's the Night was going out at 4641kbps but Robin Hood on the same
day went out at 3385kbps and on 18 April it even went out at 2898kbps
whereas Primeval on ITV went out at 2828kbps on the same day.
Is this the BBC's new way of forcing people to downgrade to DOG SHIT
infested BBC HD, by degrading the quality of HD so that the SD quality HD
(as other posters here have reported in other threads) looks better?
And there was I thinking that my CRT TV was wearing out because the pictures
were all becoming blurred. It's not my TV that's the problem, it's the BBC's
transmissions. 2898kbps isn't barley any better than continental satellite
and almost all of that is sourced from VHS quality U-Matic. Is this what the
BBC wants to do?

<<<On my Samsung 42" plasma w/integrated Freeview it looked fine. No
artefacting of the type you mention. All the mainstream channels look
just fine. Move to Dave and it's a different story. Don't be so hung
up on the numbers and enjoy the viewing. Have you considered the
possibility that your CRT may be artefacting and NOT the source?>>>
I made the recordings on my computer which has an LCD screen connected by
DVI. The artefacts were present on the stream.
<<<And for the record. Yes. Eurovision *IS* shit.>>>
Not it isn't. It's the most watched entertainment programme in Europe.

Popular entertainment = Shit.